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Is there a reason the argument is not framed as long term vs short term planning? Climate change will ruin the rich global north, not just the south. That won't help GDP. I find the moral argument less compelling because it's hard enough trying to get people to vote in their own interest in the face of a partisan press, never mind voting to reduce their actual wealth

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The obviously ridiculous thing about the Milanovic argument is that people everywhere, in all societies, are often willing to accept tremendous material risk / sacrifice in pursuit of non-material things.

Caring for children and family, engaging in political activism, making art and building things, serving in the military, a hundred other activities. Sure, you can argue about which things count as “moral” concerns, and which have “good” consequences, but the point is that people are intrinsically interested in much more than maximizing their material position.

Part of the point of “degrowth” talk, in my opinion, is to legitimize and promote the value of individual restraint (not “abstinence”) regarding material acquisition. The point is that it should be one of our values, one thing among many.

Yes, there's tension there, but so what? Duty to family and community is in tension with the desire for individual freedom, but we recognize there’s a complex balance to be struck between the two. Yet for some reason, we have a problem with the idea of balancing the desire for greater material wealth (which is, yes, absolutely a core human value) with a sense of restraint and modesty regarding that wealth. This dichotomy of Greed is Good capitalism vs. self-abnegating "asceticism” is nonsense.

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